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		<title>RalphThomas at 05:21, 16 December 2006</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;−&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #ffa; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Sean Parent wrote in mail to adobe-source-devel regarding his &lt;del class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;requirements for &lt;/del&gt;a visual editor for Eve files:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;+&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #cfc; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;Sean Parent wrote in mail to adobe-source-devel regarding his &lt;ins class=&quot;diffchange diffchange-inline&quot;&gt;thoughts on &lt;/ins&gt;a visual editor for Eve files:&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I have some thoughts - Foster may have some also - he implemented the original Expresso -&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I have some thoughts - Foster may have some also - he implemented the original Expresso -&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I have some thoughts - Foster may have some also - he implemented the original Expresso -&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class='diff-marker'&gt;&amp;#160;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background: #eee; color:black; font-size: smaller;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;I have some thoughts - Foster may have some also - he implemented the original Expresso -&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>RalphThomas at 04:54, 16 December 2006</title>
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&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;Sean Parent wrote in mail to adobe-source-devel:&lt;br /&gt;
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I have some thoughts - Foster may have some also - he implemented the original Expresso -&lt;br /&gt;
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* The basic UI that I envision is a two view editor - a tree view showing the UI elements and a preview.&lt;br /&gt;
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The tree view should be fairly simple - showing an icon for the view type and the name property (after localize is executed) for the item - if no name property then the view type is displayed&lt;br /&gt;
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 [] My Dialog&lt;br /&gt;
  -- row&lt;br /&gt;
    () OK&lt;br /&gt;
    () Cancel&lt;br /&gt;
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* Drag and drop (including multiple items) - should be allowed within the tree view as well as between the tree view and preview windows.&lt;br /&gt;
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* The preview window should be live - meaning you can select elements directly in it and drag items around. Items can be dropped into containers (containers should highlight to show you where the item will be dropped.&lt;br /&gt;
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* An inspector palette should be present to show you the properties of the view selected. I would only show the editable properties and possibly organize them into panels - you might want a debugging palette or panel which shows the calculated properties. This palette should be fairly easy to create with Eve (and Adam) - I've been meaning to construct this part with the current system just to show the properties of each of the widgets types.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Shortcuts for typical properties should be provided - ctrl-[ - ] for align left, center, right, etc...&lt;br /&gt;
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* A palette of the available widgets that can be dropped onto either the tree view or the preview would be great.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Within the inspector palette I would allow expressions - not just values - for the properties.&lt;br /&gt;
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* From an implementation standpoint - the Eve (and Adam) languages have been designed to support roundtrip editing - this is why the comments are in the syntax - so they can be associated with particular elements and carried through an editor. The way to build such a beast is to replace the eve_evaluate file that captures the information from the parser and populate a structure for the editor (possibly using the forest library).&lt;br /&gt;
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* One implementation hole that I know of at the moment is that there is no way way to erase an item from a layout - but I believe that could be easily added.&lt;br /&gt;
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* Bonus points for a live source view&lt;br /&gt;
* Double bonus points for alternative syntaxes (especially an XML based one)&lt;br /&gt;
* Triple bonus points for a property model view (a table of cells and expressions) - and drag-drop to connect&lt;br /&gt;
* 50 bonus points for a property model visualizer (likely using GrafViz)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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